Random Thoughts: A Mindful Miscellany

from Marcus Wynne

Random Thoughts on Killing Trucks

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A good friend of mine does security for a religious school and house of worship. Just recently, after a spate of suspicious phone calls inquiring about security procedures, he saw what’s become the most recent worst nightmare for law enforcement and security procedures: a large heavy delivery truck driven by two very out of place individuals, cruising through the street that his house of worship empties out into. Many of these worshippers walk to and from church. The five to ten minutes before and after they let out, the street is packed with pedestrians: families with small children, elderly.

The truck parked in an apartment building nearby. The two men went upstairs and fetched out a mattress. It took them about 20 minutes, most of which they spent watching the front of the church and the security personnel. It seemed as though they were lingering and in no hurry to pick up the mattress they’d come to get. The church service was also delayed by, gee, about ten minutes because of an extra long service.

Right when the first service members departed, the truck was hastily loaded up, and then driven slowly past the front of the church, and then departed.

On the surface, maybe just a couple of hard working guys driving a dramatically oversized truck to pick up one mattress who just happened to have time to kill and hang out and watch a stressed out security officer. But in another life, on a planet far far away, a guy I know who’d spent a lot of time in dangerous places would have said, “Dang…that sure seems like it might could be a rehearsal for some kind of nasty event, like driving a heavy truck through church goers.”

Not that that kind of thing happens too often, despite the recent spate of events like described here:


And even with a certain notorious organization calling for these kind of attacks against houses of worship after they published a list of all those places:


And of course there would be no linkage with a recent spate of telephone calls asking specific questions about times and places to the religious school associated with that house of worship.

There’s this thing from psychology which I are a student of sometimes, and gets to hangs around with peeps much smarter than me, which is called, I think, “normalcy bias.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

In sum it’s the thinking that goes like this: “It hasn’t happened to me, therefore it cannot happen.” It’s a presupposition which provides an unconscious (as in you don’t even know you know/believe it) foundation for action and planning. The cure for it generally is a harsh one, when reality sticks it’s sometimes ugly nose in and says, “Hey Sweet Cheeks? Today’s the day you get fucked.”

People die or get hurt when you let normalcy bias rule your decisions especially when it comes to dealing with violence.

That’s what you have security professionals (aka professional paranoids) who do that kind of distasteful thinking for you, so that you don’t have to think about small children and old people crushed under the wheels of a big truck.

Of course, you do have to trust and take their advice on board, and a big (often overlooked) part of being a high end security professional is the art of convincing the non-experienced that your experience is presenting a picture that conflicts with the bosses normalcy bias.

So I was asked to opine about the art and science of killing trucks after someone I know saw this video:


Very brave man. Who died in the attempt to stop the truck involved in the Nice terror attack.

I’m just a researcher, but I was able to ask a few friends of mine who have some experience dealing with variations on this kind of issue. What’s offered below is only opinion based on other’s experience and training so take it (as all things I offer) with a big grain of salt and run it through your own perceptual filters. If it doesn’t make sense for you or work when you test it, bin it. Won’t hurt my feelings one bit, and as you may have noticed, offered here without charge.


Pre-Event: (LEFT OF BANG)

  • Know who rents trucks in your preciencts/city. Not just the big haulers but even a cargo panel truck like Ryder or U-Haul. DHS has all their various flyers out at those facilities but a conscientious patrol cop or proactive intelligence analyst might drop by those in his/her area of interest and cultivate relationship.
  • Blocking streets that have events is something decided by higher, and I wont’ get into that. Installing permanent or temporary vehicle obstacles is great if it happens.

During Event, Pre-Incident: (LEFT OF BANG)

If you’re participating in a planned major event (like a street fair) you’ll have contingencies in place. I’d expect that they’d address procedures for slowing/blocking heavy vehicles through a combination of traffic control points, temporary obstacles or zones, and establish appropriate response.

In the opinion of some more learned than I, here’s the desirable flow to prevent heavy vehicle attacks:

1) Deny access to the vehicles through proactive police work/intelligence gathering.
2) Deny entry of heavy or other vehicles into a target rich environment by vehicle obstacles permanent or temporary or procedural.


3) Detect a suspect vehicle far enough out to be able to take proactive measures.
a. Have spotters on the perimeter with reliable comms and useful optics (binoculars or pocket monoculars)
4) Delay the suspect vehicle from entry and/or acceleration.
a. Procedurally through vehicle control points
b. Physically blocking the approaching vehicle with heavy vehicles.
5) Destroy the attacker
a. Divert or ram the vehicle off the roadway into something like a building or vehicles to slow or stop it.
b. Block the vehicle by getting heavy vehicles in front of it.
c. Kill the driver (my personal favorite).
i. If you’re engaging through metal and glass into a driver’s compartment, consider what weapons you have and especially what kind of ammo. Bonded is best, but roll with what you got.
ii. If all you’ve got is a pistol, try for the close range side shot. Aim at the head through the window glass and work your shots down. It may cause him to flinch and flinch the wheel to one side as the glass shatters and if he’s committed enough to duck, follow the head down and shoot through the door sheet metal. If you don’t know Super Dave Harrington’s IRON CROSS drill, go learn it. It’s the best drill for training how to fight with a pistol from a seated position in a car with either hand.
iii. Rifles are good. Volume of fire but be conscious of backstops. If shooting from the front, same thing: start high to get his head down and if you’re a cool enough shot, ping the next string off the hood into the cabin. Don’t waste time shooting tires/engines. Kill the driver.
iv. Don’t neglect the trusty shotgun. Loaded with slugs like a Brennekke or whatever the state of the art is, it will fuck up an engine and a driver’s compartment better than a rifle.


Have a plan to notify people. Loudspeakers, sirens, make some noise so people will look up and see what’s happening and get the hell out of the way while the pros try to deal with it. Don’t make it complicated. If they hear loud noises, get out of the roadway as fast as they can. Don’t be a hero, just get out of the way.

Rinse and repeat.


1) Solo civilian armed or unarmed vs. heavy vehicle = no bueno. Period.
2) Have a plan.
3) Said plan should address:
a. Awareness. Keeping one’s eyes on what’s going on, also known as enjoying one’s self and not buried in the cellphone. This also includes accepting that something could happen, and mentally prepping yourself for that.

(COGNITIVE NEUROSCIENCE-Y DIGRESSION since I kinda do that for a living)

What kills people in these events is the lag time between recognizing what’s happening and doing something about it. Notice I said RECOGNIZING and not SEEING.


Trained (or at least aware person who’s accepted the possibility) SEES SOMETHING AND RECOGNIZES IT FOR WHAT IT IS – ACTS ON A SIMPLE ROBUST PLAN (grab the kids and run out of the way) –

Fewer steps = less time deciding = more time to be alive.

Back to the plan:

c. Small kids, disabled, elderly – grab and go, dude. That’s all you can do. Can you pick up all your kids and run with them? Will they listen to you if you scream something at them like GET OUT OF THE WAY? Could you pick up your diabled father and run with him? You can carry more weight than you think if you use body mechanics, go Google Fireman’s Carry.
d. After the event, have a plan to reconnect.
e. Consider toting a small emergency kit that includes a first aid kit, some cash, a charger for your phone. Pretty easy to tote. See my previous articles on that.
f. Gun toters. Consider the total event. Before you go in blazing make sure you’ve met the needs of those you are responsible for, including yourself. Then BEFORE get a gut check on whether you have the skill, physical fitness, and the opportunity to get in and deal violence on that person – or if you’re just complicating an already complicated event. Your life, your call. Family first dude. The hero in the video ended up crushed under the truck, and no one remembers his name.

Just some random thoughts from some Old Guys on the sidelines. Stay safe out there.  Unless you’re the Achy Man:  https://marcuswynne.wordpress.com/2016/11/18/repost-the-achy-man-and-the-writers-process-updated-with-rico-and-other-cool-stuff/

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December 28, 2016 at 5:26 pm

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  1. […] great post on Killing Trucks at Marcus Wynne’s blog. Addresses issues of awareness, normalcy bias, and mental and physical […]

  2. Remember when we did the “think evil” session when training the guys in RSA? They had to come up with ways to attack a target. It’s scary how many unsophisticated methods of attack that can be carried out.
    I’m sure that the Islamic terrorists will devise more novel ways to murder the innocent.
    Marcus, I hope your thoughts are being widely distrubuted, they need to be taken on board.

    Dennis Martin

    December 29, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    • I do remember, Den. Humans are the most dangerous of animals when we get our imaginations into it. Those who are called to protect have to up their game and be nimble in their response to defeat the ingenuity of evil. I dunno if it’s being widely distributed Den, though I hope so. I was just talking with an old friend of ours, another Old Guy, and it seems as though each generation in some way or another needs to reinvent the wheel. I can’t get too harsh about it, LOL, you remember what I was like when I was in my 30s, 30 or so years ago! So I remember to be patient when dealing with the current generation of gun slingers. They gotta find things out the way that works for them, and the concept of Elder or Kuya has unfortunately been shoved to the side by a lot of these guys, especially those in training who think they have to kill Old Lions instead of learn from them, LOL…of course, we still take some killing ; ). Much love and appreciation to you, Old Friend and Old Lion! Hope to see you in this coming year. Cheers, mate.


      December 30, 2016 at 12:44 am

  3. Below is a comment from one of the most skilled and experienced people in CT out there who prefers to remain anonymous. Thanks for sharing your expertise, my dear friend and mentor:

    Marcus been a long time since I had to think about this so slept on it and tried to dredge up all the lessons learned I could remember. This is not my area of expertise but I managed to sign on at about the time the shitheads began blowing up our embassies. I got to talk with our security people, survivors, locals etc. during the time the USG was building up our CT defenses for embassies, travel security, and enhanced personal security training for its officers serving abroad.
    The first thing I remember is proximity. The VBIED doesn’t have to reach its target to cause massive destruction it just has to get close. We saw this with the 2nd Beirut embassy bombing as well as Khobar Towers. A secondary issue here and one that concerns you with the school/synagogue is glass. The kids get hit by both blast damage as well as flying glass. There are several solutions to this but they can be pricey. Best to have your first vehicle inspection point as far from the target as possible. May have to consider blast shields and such. Your local bomb squad lads can help you with this.
    The next problem is speed. I can remember several people telling me that just before the attack they heard a big rig shifting gears as it sped up. We saw this in the Marine Barracks attack. The problem is that it makes the vehicle a bitch to stop even if you kill the driver. Also the speed enables it to jump some obstacles which just adds to the effectiveness of the VBIED as it goes airborne.
    So my favorite device to slow/control vehicles is a serpentine. They have to slow down to negotiate the turns which makes them easier to shoot at and hit if required. Also the problem arises if you kill the driver the truck may still continue forward running over a group of nuns standing on the corner waiting for the bus (or something equally newsworthy!). Again the serpentine helps to trap it and stop forward progress. If it were me I would check with the local cops and see what their policy is regarding shooting at vehicles and I would adopt it.
    Regarding rifles if the budget permits I would like something with no less capability than the AK round. It flat eats up a vehicle and is cheap to buy so you can do lots of practice. I would consider the Ruger Mini-30 because it doesn’t have the profile and rep of the AK. The .223 is iffy against moving vehicles. If money is tight I fully agree with the slug. What you use depends on whether your shotguns have rifled barrels or not.

    Marcus Wynne

    December 30, 2016 at 12:48 am

  4. […] Random Thoughts on Killing Trucks […]

    • Further proof there is a God. Bare knuckles against an armed driver in the truck. Great courage.


      January 3, 2017 at 9:34 pm

  5. […] or guns, but trucks. Common, ordinary, don’t-attract-any-attention-until-it’s-too-late trucks. Marcus Wynne has some thoughts on how to deal with these kinds of attacks from both a law enforcement and civilian perspective. Pay particular attention to his description […]

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